Blurs line of being a Liberal 2.0/non Liberal 2.0 or off in la la land -off compass
Blurs line of being Liberal 2.0 and non Liberal 2.0
Republicans: soft NeverTrumpers
Democrats: Blue Dogs (Blue Dogs who fall into all of these categories: center left, voted to condemn socialism and are NON 'Reactionary centrists'), New Democrat Coalition of the Democrat Party (ND coalition members who fall into all of these categories: center left and NON 'Reactionary centrists') and the Progressive Caucus, Democratic Socialists of America (some)
Alt Liberals, ANTIFA (some), Neoliberal Progressivism, modern NZ economics
Wokeness is supposed to be ambiguous and fluid, just like gender, since we are talking about social and cultural warfare, and so there are sides wokeness wants people to take and tribes to become part of. So some strands of wokeness thus blur the line between Liberal 2.0 and non Liberal 2.0
r/ShitLiberalsSay (occasionally)
When they call anything and anybody fascism and fascist/nazbol/n..azi which gets quite hysterical, which then causes them to sort of look like Liberal 2.0ers as well, weirdly enough. So at those specific times when SLS and its users are Idpolers in their own way.
When the SLS subreddit and its users borders on being Liberal 2.0 and non liberal 2.0 while wearing the aesthetics of further left political positions like Marxism-Leninism
Tankiejerk at its core is Libleft (green but orange too) and it is also Socialist Anarchist
Some r/enoughcommiespam pretty centrist/liberal users are surprised at how left wing everyone was on tankiejerk until he/she realised that that was kind of part of the purpose of the sub
Jonah Goldberg
Joy Reid, Jake Tapper
The Humanist Report (blurs line of Liberal 2.0 and non Liberal 2.0)
Silvio Berlusconi
Joe Biden: Biden is still closer to Liberal 2.0 than non Liberal 2.0 and pretty much basically around the point of no return in that direction, especially over the last decade, some times Biden goes left and right of Liberalism 2.0 . Joe Biden on social issues is center to center left (but closer to centrist)
We can give Joe Biden a pass on his wokeness since BLM had his back in 2020 he was obliged via a spoil system to have their back as President (so Joe Biden is a man of his word and should be admired for that), This included Joe Biden implementing woke crt policies (which was really just Joe Biden undoing the damage to the poc/bipoc community he caused through his anti desegregation zealotry and militarization of the police/tough on crime act in the 1990s by implementing said woke policies)
And these sort of things here, here, here and this rightoid reactionary fan fiction here make Joe Biden seem consistently left and right of Liberalism 2.0. But Joe Biden is at the end of the day pretty much basically Liberal 2.0 (Joe Biden ran as a Liberal 2.0 in his campaign for President in 2020 but he pragmatically eased up a bit since to be outside of Liberalism 2.0 pretty much)
Mo Brooks, William Burns (CIA director), Cori Bush, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz
Josh Hawley, Kari Lake, Jamie Raskin (but closer to Liberal 2.0 than non Liberal 2.0)
Susan Rice, Elise Stefanik (though has a non Liberal 2.0 streak in her), Neera Tanden
Allen West
media:
Blaze, Breitbart, Global Times (China)
Libcom
They claim to be left but are more like a left lean liberal 2.0 group
They have a huge archive of communist and anarchist literature but they so often criticize movements on the left. They have been going around twitter bogusly claiming that Vladimir Lenin ordered a massacre of prostitutes. Who, if anyone, do Libcom tend to support? Nerds with Vaginas and Vellum and Vinyl?
Libcom did back track on the Vladimir Lenin accusation admitting it never occurred, just that Lenin ‘ordered’ it. See here for mote . However, due to Libcom having an anti communist tilt which is right of liberalism 2.0, still being hard on liberal 2.0 policies and being generally left of liberalism 2.0 they are thus significantly non Liberal 2.0 and thus here and not deep in the Liberal 2.0 camp if at all
National Review (leans non Liberal 2.0)
NY Times (non editorial page only, and still closer to Liberal 2.0 than non Liberal 2.0 but not near the point of no return in that direction)
Politico, Slate, USA Today
subreddits:
r/neoliberal
r/enough commie spam
r/themajorityreport (due to the diversity of leftist views but a huge radlib Liberal 2.0 element at least through framework)
r/seculartalk
r/socialism
NON Liberal 2.0 AND Liberal 2.0 at the same time:
r/enough sanders spam subreddit
r/ShitLiberalsSay subreddit The occasional times when it and its users act Liberal 2.0ish but at the same time wear the aesthetics of further left political positions like Marxism-Leninism
r/AgainstHateSubreddits Its better for r/AgainstHateSubreddits to get subreddits they don’t like banned (even using the alleged methods they use to do so) than for Reddit admins and mod boycotts to take the initiative in banning controversial subreddits themselves (like the Reddit admins wrongly did in 2020 with their subreddit purges of controversial subreddits like r/thedonald, r/gendercritical etc)
I like how AgainstHateSubreddits are private individuals who exercise their right to Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Association to hold Reddit, Inc. to the promises that they have represented in the User Agreement and Content Policies, and the requirements of sane society -- that hate groups not be given a platform to abuse others.
That is a positive way to ban hateful subreddits as opposed to Reddit admins taking on themselves to ban hateful subreddits , the latter of which is statist, AHS is thankfully an anti statist and Left libertarian subreddit. AgainstHateSubreddits should be allowed to vent and voice their displeasure with the communities they deem as promoting hate speech
I echo this from AHS: “ And if you don't think you're a bigot -- but you feel that you can "peacefully coexist" with violent white supremacists, neo-Nazis, the Khmer Rouge, the KKK, the "alt-Right"?.
Historians have a word for the people who went along with the Nazis. That's "Nazi". Or, sadly, "Victim of the Nazis". Als sie die Juden holten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Jude” That labeling apply perfectly to the Walkway subredditors, as shown by AHS who reported a clear example of Walkway's further heel turn toward rock bottom here, here, here and I echo AHS response to Walkway people in those threads #HOPENOTHATE
I also like this about AgainstHateSubreddits “We are NOT your Personal Army. If the members of one demographic are traditionally vilifying / vilified by another demographic, we will not "take sides" "for" the representatives of either demographic using their respective subreddits as proxies - No International Political Slapfighting. No Conflicts of Interest.” I am glad that AHS are like that while fighting hate on Reddit
We do make exceptions for subreddits, named for a demographic or international geographic compartment (i.e. country), that are clearly being operated to platform hatred. Those require substantial, objectively evaluatable evidence of a pattern of hatred, bigotry, harassment, or violence, and the misfeasance of the moderators of the subreddit. We do not want submissions of 4-month old comments by suspended users that never went live or which received no upvotes, in innocent / well-moderated subreddits.
AHS being a 'minor attracted' circlejerk is both non Liberal 2.0 and Liberal 2.0 and is wrong
Check AHS (againsthatesubreddits) for active conservative subreddits or r/PoliticalCompassMemes approved subreddits
MSNBC (in the 1990s, during the 2000s decade especially in combating Fox News, when they have NeverTrumpers on and when they are left wing/non Liberal 2.0 progressive and broken clock)
AOC: AOC has mostly non Liberal 2.0 views and actions due to her being BDS and fighting for Palestinian rights and her having Left wing tendencies, besides being mostly left of Liberalism 2.0 she even goes RIGHT of Liberalism 2.0 when she is pro Israel in the correct way, by her votes with Republicans like on BBB or abstains or votes present or when she praises DJT like she did in 2016. I also like her being a Justice Democrat, being anti corporate, pro M4A , not as warmongering as other Dems and Reps etc.
But AOC’s wokeness including her supporting cancel culture , her Liberal 2.0 sanctimoniousness, and her selling out to the establishment has a Liberal 2.0 ring to it. Moreover, AOC has become a corporate puppet and is ineffective. I hold out hope due to her being a Justice Democrat but I am hoping for the best with her but expecting the worst. The NYMag even said that AOC is 'one of the insiders' in response to her success with the Green New Deal. She also belittles anyone to her left and smears them as crypto right wingers or extremists.
Rachel Maddow (does her homework, very well informed but still gives off too many Liberal 2.0 vibes, especially with her McCarthyism in calling everyone a Russian spy)
Cannot categorize as Liberal 2.0, non Liberal 2.0 ,between Liberal 2.0 or as being both Liberal 2.0 and non Liberal 2.0 at the same time since they are off compass and in their own cloud cuckoo land:
ANTIFA (some), SometimesTrumpers
Alternative Influence Network, Augusto Pinochet Neoliberalism , Cruzites, Left Strasserism, state liberalism, Vince Dao Republicans. See here for more
Chris Cuomo: At least on CNNDNC he was Liberal 2.0 Chris might not be a Liberal 2.0 schill anymore as he has said he will now be be neutral and moderate . Though I haven’t seen this change since he joined NewsNation. Maybe Chris will change for the better like Michael Corleone did in the Godfather III, we will see (cue Godfather theme). He currently leans Liberal 2.0
Mark Dice, Mark Levin
Trevor Noah
Mark Ruffalo (Liberal 2.0 for the almost most part but has good clear takes here and there, though him being progressive left makes him to categorize)
Lee Atwater
media:
Daily Beast, Fox News, NBC News, Politicofact
Splinter (non radlib woke)
Teen Vogue, Vanity Fair, Zero Hedge
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